WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines - Revision history

RodWhitby at 07:06, 12 August 2009

2009-08-12T07:06:24Z

X1011: /* Proposed: Redirects */

2009-08-12T05:09:13Z

Proposed: Redirects

X1011: New section: proposed: off-wiki discussion

2009-08-12T05:04:22Z

New section: proposed: off-wiki discussion

X1011: /* Proposed: Protection */

2009-08-03T05:00:26Z

Proposed: Protection

RodWhitby: No edit button on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

2009-08-03T03:14:51Z

No edit button on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

RodWhitby: Support trial of unprotected front page.

2009-08-03T03:13:00Z

Support trial of unprotected front page.

X1011: /* Proposed: Protection */

2009-08-03T03:08:12Z

Proposed: Protection

RodWhitby: Editors group

2009-08-03T02:46:06Z

Editors group

X1011: /* Proposed: Protection */

2009-08-03T02:24:43Z

Proposed: Protection

RodWhitby at 23:12, 1 August 2009

2009-08-01T23:12:40Z

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	"Discussions establishing consensus on issues affecting the community at large (such as policies) must take place on the WebOS Internals wiki." —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)		"Discussions establishing consensus on issues affecting the community at large (such as policies) must take place on the WebOS Internals wiki." —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I support that proposal, or any other mechanism that is equally available and convenient for all the editors. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 07:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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 : So, it's my policy to go in and SPLIT double redirects, so the first side of the double ends up as a direct.  But I don't DELETE them.  As I said to Matt, one of my patrol pages at wikipedia has 27 incoming redirects, and that's a good thing. For example,  I think we need redirect pages for [[Portal:Accessing Linux]] from [[rooting]] [[root login]] [[Accessing Linux]][[Accessing-Linux]] [[AccessingLinux]] and perhaps more.  Redirects are good.  [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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 "Discussions establishing consensus on issues affecting the community at large (such as policies) must take place on the WebOS Internals wiki." —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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	: So, it's my policy to go in and SPLIT double redirects, so the first side of the double ends up as a direct. But I don't DELETE them. As I said to Matt, one of my patrol pages at wikipedia has 27 incoming redirects, and that's a good thing. For example, I think we need redirect pages for [[Portal:Accessing Linux]] from [[rooting]] [[root login]] [[Accessing Linux]][[Accessing-Linux]] [[AccessingLinux]] and perhaps more. Redirects are good. [[User:Rboatright\|rboatright]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)		: So, it's my policy to go in and SPLIT double redirects, so the first side of the double ends up as a direct. But I don't DELETE them. As I said to Matt, one of my patrol pages at wikipedia has 27 incoming redirects, and that's a good thing. For example, I think we need redirect pages for [[Portal:Accessing Linux]] from [[rooting]] [[root login]] [[Accessing Linux]][[Accessing-Linux]] [[AccessingLinux]] and perhaps more. Redirects are good. [[User:Rboatright\|rboatright]] 14:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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		+	"Discussions establishing consensus on issues affecting the community at large (such as policies) must take place on the WebOS Internals wiki." —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 05:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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	BTW, I don't see an edit button on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ... that's the example that I think we're following. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		BTW, I don't see an edit button on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ... that's the example that I think we're following. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	what can sysops do that 'editors' won't be able to, and why have the distinction?
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		+	Wikipedia's main page was not protected at first. it was only protected after vandalism became a persistent problem. i think that's the model we should follow.
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		+	—[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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	I'm happy to trial an unprotected front page, as long as we have the Editors group in place so that protection can be implemented at a moment's notice if there is vandalism without affecting the access of the major contributors if we need to do that. FYI, I'm not sure we've worked out how to allow the Editors group to edit protected pages yet, but that is definitely the intention, and is just awaiting someone working out how to do it. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		I'm happy to trial an unprotected front page, as long as we have the Editors group in place so that protection can be implemented at a moment's notice if there is vandalism without affecting the access of the major contributors if we need to do that. FYI, I'm not sure we've worked out how to allow the Editors group to edit protected pages yet, but that is definitely the intention, and is just awaiting someone working out how to do it. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	BTW, I don't see an edit button on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ... that's the example that I think we're following. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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	i just tried editing a protected page; i cannot. regardless, i still think it's an unnecessary barrier for people who may just want to make a small correction. also, Wikia's point about implying a hierarchy among editors is still valid. —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 03:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		i just tried editing a protected page; i cannot. regardless, i still think it's an unnecessary barrier for people who may just want to make a small correction. also, Wikia's point about implying a hierarchy among editors is still valid. —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 03:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I'm happy to trial an unprotected front page, as long as we have the Editors group in place so that protection can be implemented at a moment's notice if there is vandalism without affecting the access of the major contributors if we need to do that. FYI, I'm not sure we've worked out how to allow the Editors group to edit protected pages yet, but that is definitely the intention, and is just awaiting someone working out how to do it. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 03:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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	I'm referring to the "Editors" group (which is different from Sysops), of which yourself and Hopspitfire are members. I expect that major contributors would be part of that group and exempt from page protection limits. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 02:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		I'm referring to the "Editors" group (which is different from Sysops), of which yourself and Hopspitfire are members. I expect that major contributors would be part of that group and exempt from page protection limits. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 02:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	i just tried editing a protected page; i cannot. regardless, i still think it's an unnecessary barrier for people who may just want to make a small correction. also, Wikia's point about implying a hierarchy among editors is still valid. —[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 03:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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	—[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 02:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)		—[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 02:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I'm referring to the "Editors" group (which is different from Sysops), of which yourself and Hopspitfire are members. I expect that major contributors would be part of that group and exempt from page protection limits. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 02:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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	Are we really expecting non-editor contributions on the front page? If we are seriously expecting that (and there is sufficient structure and instructions on the front page that first-time visitor will not stuff up the formatting, or undo all the collaboration which has occurred so far on the front page look and feel), then I'm happy for it to be unprotected. But I'm skeptical that is the case. Otherwise, we should work how to protect the front page in a way that editors can edit it. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 23:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)		Are we really expecting non-editor contributions on the front page? If we are seriously expecting that (and there is sufficient structure and instructions on the front page that first-time visitor will not stuff up the formatting, or undo all the collaboration which has occurred so far on the front page look and feel), then I'm happy for it to be unprotected. But I'm skeptical that is the case. Otherwise, we should work how to protect the front page in a way that editors can edit it. [[User:RodWhitby\|RodWhitby]] 23:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	an editor is anyone who signs up for an account here and makes an edit. i'll assume you're talking about non-admins.
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		+	yes, i am expecting non-admins to want to contribute to the main page. [[user:Hopspitfire\|Hopspitfire]] made a couple of edits soon after the protection expired, and i expect other users to follow.
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		+	—[[user:X1011\|X1011]] 02:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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 if the group we're dealing with is so enlightened, then they should also be less prone to vandalism and more likely to have useful contributions, even for the main page. to my knowledge, there has been no vandalism to this wiki so far. even if something does get messed up, whether with good or bad intentions, it can quickly and easily be fixed. the 1-week protection on the main page has just expired; i say we give it at least a trial and see whether it will get worse or better due to public edits. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 08:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
-Are we really expecting non-editor contributions on the front page? If we are seriously expecting that (and there is sufficient structure and instructions on the front page that first-time visitor will not stuff up the formatting, or undo all the collaboration which has occurred so far on the front page look and feed), then I'm happy for it to be unprotected.  But I'm skeptical that is the case. [[User:RodWhitby|RodWhitby]] 23:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
+Are we really expecting non-editor contributions on the front page? If we are seriously expecting that (and there is sufficient structure and instructions on the front page that first-time visitor will not stuff up the formatting, or undo all the collaboration which has occurred so far on the front page look and feel), then I'm happy for it to be unprotected.  But I'm skeptical that is the case. Otherwise, we should work how to protect the front page in a way that editors can edit it.  [[User:RodWhitby|RodWhitby]] 23:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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