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This page is for discussion of the Main Page. For discussion of general policies, see [[WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines]]
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== Beta Main Page ==
 
== Beta Main Page ==
  
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I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: <nowiki>[[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc.</nowiki> --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 
I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: <nowiki>[[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc.</nowiki> --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
  
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Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki.
 
Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki.
 
Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine.
 
Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine.
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-[[user:hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
-[[user:hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
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Added kernels to the list  --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 19:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  
 
== Protection ==
 
== Protection ==
  
 
Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see [[wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT]]. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see [[wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT]]. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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I disagree.  We're getting 20K page views a day.  Let's keep the main page clean and functonal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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the main page has 14,428 total views to date. we shouldn't assume our users will make it dirty and unfunctional before we even give them a chance. Wikia has [[wikia:c:help:help:main page#What if I don't want visitors to edit my main page?|a good writeup]] on why the main page should not be protected.
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also, in the future, when you protect a page, please include a note explaining why you are doing so.
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—[[user:X1011|X1011]] 08:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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The main page is currently editable, was this intentional? [[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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Yea, rick only set it to be protected till aug 1st while updates were going on. The idea was so that users wouldn't mess with it as the site was being setup / structured. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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: The idea was that there was a gazillion links on the FRONT page of the old wiki.  we wanted the front page of the new wiki to lead to DEPARTMENTS instead of having a zillion links on it.  -- that's worked out now, and seems institutionally embedded so why not let the protection expire?  [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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As many of seen the front page is no longer protected. The edit tab has been hidden, but editing can be easily done by "?title=Main_Page&action=edit". Hopefully this solved any disagreements people may have with the editing/protection of the main page. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 14:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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That can be simplified even more just by typing "?action=edit". -[[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 21:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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== Research/Reference Portal ==
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We need to add the Research/Reference portal to the front page. I recommend re-organizing the front page.
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I'd start with putting "Getting Started" on the top-middle by itself, then follow the diagram below:
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<pre><nowiki>
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-------------Getting Started-------------
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Linux Apps---Source Patches---Dev Tools
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Research-------webOS Apps-----Hardware
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Recovery--------SDK Docs------Wiki Help
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</nowiki></pre>
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We also need an icon for "Research", maybe put a lab suit over Tux with a doctor's mask. What do you think?
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I also agree with the post above regarding the unprotection of the front page (at least to autoconfirmed users). -hopspitfire
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yes, we need to add a box for the research portal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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As of today all of this has been done (including Tux in a lab coat). --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 15:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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== featured article ==
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I think we need a "featured article" on the main page.  Right now, that wuld be
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terminal.    [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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the featured articles look great. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
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== Article organization ==
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I noticed that there are a lot of manually maintained lists on this wiki.  I'm not sure why the Category system is not being used, since it provides a better way to manage lists.  A manually maintained list provides more information such as a summary, but a category is much easier to maintain and the users can browse a category page.  Pages such as the [[Portal:webOS_Applications_All]] might be better as a category page.  Actually, it looks like [[Special:Categories]] are rarely used.  The category system could also compliment the current system as well.
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: Any problem if I start adding lots of pages into appropriate categories?
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Also, an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28infoboxes%29 infobox] on certain article types such as applications would help with origination.  A script such as the one used on the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix Extension Matrix] might eventually be plausible in the future once infoboxes are more commonly used.
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: Can I create them?
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How zealous about organization is it ok to be?
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:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 18:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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i'm all for both ideas. i tried organizing this wiki at one point but i didn't have time to teach everyone how to properly use a wiki and was also meeting resistance. i never even bothered with the application pages because there were plans to make a proper repo site ([[Preware Design#Site]]). see also [[Talk:Portal:Patches to webOS#naming]] for my suggestions on organizing the patches. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 22:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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When I have some free time I'll add pages to categories and see what issues come up.  An infobox would even help with linking to an external repository, since most of the URL could be hidden by the infobox and if certain parts of the URL change, every single application page doesn't have to be updated for the links to work.  Thanks.  Hopefully, I can be of some help around here.
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:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 23:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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==How about mentioning Devices==
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Be inclusive to cover/include the touchpad.

Latest revision as of 20:46, 24 November 2011

This page is for discussion of the Main Page. For discussion of general policies, see WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines

Beta Main Page

This isn't in use right now, but when It comes the time to swap out the main page again.

Main_Page_beta Template:Page-main-beta

Article title capitalization

Are we sure we want to use title case for article titles? Wikipedia uses sentence case, and i think it looks much better. —X1011 06:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, same question for section headings —X1011 12:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: [[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc. --Templarian 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

from #webos-internals: <source lang="text" enclose="div"> Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki. Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine. Rick_: We prefer "Page About Smashing the Pre" to "Page about smashing the Pre" because it _is_ the title of the page, and so _should_ be in title case. Rick_: or that's the consensus of the team to date. </source>

Registration error warning

Instead of having the warning about getting an error on confirming your registration on the main page, could an admin put it on the create account page? —X1011 01:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

The Special:* namespace pages are not editable. -- Rod

Maybe not inside the wiki editing system, but surely it's editable at some level. I think we should put user experience before "that's too hard to do". —X1011 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - I'll look into it. -- Rod

Front page mispelling and Description Addition

There's a mispelling on the top of the front page (I don't have rights to edit this page)

"Thank you for heling us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"

should be:

"Thank you for helping us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"


Also, can you add something referencing "Kernels" in the development tools' description?

-hopspitfire 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Added kernels to the list --Templarian 19:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Protection

Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —X1011 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. We're getting 20K page views a day. Let's keep the main page clean and functonal. rboatright 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


the main page has 14,428 total views to date. we shouldn't assume our users will make it dirty and unfunctional before we even give them a chance. Wikia has a good writeup on why the main page should not be protected.

also, in the future, when you protect a page, please include a note explaining why you are doing so.

X1011 08:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


The main page is currently editable, was this intentional? hopspitfire 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea, rick only set it to be protected till aug 1st while updates were going on. The idea was so that users wouldn't mess with it as the site was being setup / structured. --Templarian 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The idea was that there was a gazillion links on the FRONT page of the old wiki. we wanted the front page of the new wiki to lead to DEPARTMENTS instead of having a zillion links on it. -- that's worked out now, and seems institutionally embedded so why not let the protection expire? rboatright 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

As many of seen the front page is no longer protected. The edit tab has been hidden, but editing can be easily done by "?title=Main_Page&action=edit". Hopefully this solved any disagreements people may have with the editing/protection of the main page. --Templarian 14:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That can be simplified even more just by typing "?action=edit". -hopspitfire 21:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Research/Reference Portal

We need to add the Research/Reference portal to the front page. I recommend re-organizing the front page.

I'd start with putting "Getting Started" on the top-middle by itself, then follow the diagram below:

-------------Getting Started-------------
Linux Apps---Source Patches---Dev Tools
Research-------webOS Apps-----Hardware
Recovery--------SDK Docs------Wiki Help

We also need an icon for "Research", maybe put a lab suit over Tux with a doctor's mask. What do you think?

I also agree with the post above regarding the unprotection of the front page (at least to autoconfirmed users). -hopspitfire

yes, we need to add a box for the research portal. rboatright 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

As of today all of this has been done (including Tux in a lab coat). --Templarian 15:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

featured article

I think we need a "featured article" on the main page. Right now, that wuld be terminal. rboatright 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

the featured articles look great. --Templarian 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Article organization

I noticed that there are a lot of manually maintained lists on this wiki. I'm not sure why the Category system is not being used, since it provides a better way to manage lists. A manually maintained list provides more information such as a summary, but a category is much easier to maintain and the users can browse a category page. Pages such as the Portal:webOS_Applications_All might be better as a category page. Actually, it looks like Special:Categories are rarely used. The category system could also compliment the current system as well.

Any problem if I start adding lots of pages into appropriate categories?

Also, an infobox on certain article types such as applications would help with origination. A script such as the one used on the Extension Matrix might eventually be plausible in the future once infoboxes are more commonly used.

Can I create them?

How zealous about organization is it ok to be?

Servel333 18:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


i'm all for both ideas. i tried organizing this wiki at one point but i didn't have time to teach everyone how to properly use a wiki and was also meeting resistance. i never even bothered with the application pages because there were plans to make a proper repo site (Preware Design#Site). see also Talk:Portal:Patches to webOS#naming for my suggestions on organizing the patches. —X1011 22:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


When I have some free time I'll add pages to categories and see what issues come up. An infobox would even help with linking to an external repository, since most of the URL could be hidden by the infobox and if certain parts of the URL change, every single application page doesn't have to be updated for the links to work. Thanks. Hopefully, I can be of some help around here.

Servel333 23:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

How about mentioning Devices

Be inclusive to cover/include the touchpad.